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If God exists, then who created him ?

IF GOD EXISTS THEN WHO CREATED HIM?

  

The basic evidence of God's existence is the design and organisation that we perceive in the universe. If everything that exists, has a cause, then who designed the universe and its order?

 Although, the atheists acknowledge the complex design and order found in the universe, they are however, reluctant to accept the creator of the universe. This is what Richard Dawkins stated:

 Some natural phenomenon are too statistically improbable, too complex, too beautiful, too awe- inspiring to have come into existence by chance. Design is the only alternative to chance that the authors can imagine. Therefore a designer must have done it. And science's answer to this faulty logic is also always the same. Design is not the only alternative to chance. Natural selection is a better alternative. Indeed, design is not a real alternative at all because it raises an even bigger problem than it solves: who designed the designer? [1]

Richard Dawkins raises two issues here. One that natural selection is a better alternative to design and the other as who designed the designer.

As for natural selection, it's is a process whereby organisms slowly adapt to their surrounding and environments over generations and survive. However, new organisms and new characteristics do not appear by way of natural selection, only the chances of survival increase.

The British evolutionist and paleontologist Colin Patterson stated:

No one has ever produced a species by mechanisms of natural selection. No one has ever got near it and most of the current argument in Neo-Darwinism is about this question. [2]

So if evolution (one species changing into another) does not take place due to natural selection, then how could one use that as an argument against God? The question "who" created the universe and all the things within it will still stand and an explanation will be required for it.

Besides, how something described by Richard Dawkins himself in the following way could, become the cause of complex design in all living things: 

Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind's eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vision, no foresight, and no sight at all. If it can be said to play the role of watchmaker in nature, it is the blind watchmaker. [3]

And if natural selection is really blind and unconscious as Richard Dawkins claims, then how could it have produced all the new species that the evolutionists speak about, when we know for fact that men with wisdom, intelligence and foresight have only been able to produce new subspecies through planned and organised breeding with plants and animals?

If planned breeding cannot produce new species, then how could random and blind accidents ever do it?

That becomes like the scenario, where knowledge and experience are superseded by blindness and chance!

Richard's other question that who designed the designer is irrelevant to God's existence. We do not need to be aware of another God to believe in the primary God. The Creator of the universe is not bound by time, space and matter and therefore cannot be explained with limitations. However, Dr. William Lane Craig, whose clip is found on YouTube, answered Richard Dawkins quite nicely. He said:

This rejoinder is flawed on at least two counts. First, in order to recognize an explanation as the best, one needn't have an explanation of the explanation. This is an elementary point concerning inference to the best explanation as practiced in the philosophy of science. If archaeologists digging in the earth were to discover things looking like arrowheads and hatchet heads and pottery shards, they would be justified in inferring that these artifacts are not the chance result of sedimentation and metamorphosis, but products of some unknown group of people, even though they had no explanation of who these people were or where they came from.

Similarly, if astronauts were to come upon a pile of machinery on the back side of the moon, they would be justified in inferring that it was the product of intelligent, extra-terrestrial agents, even if they had no idea whatsoever who these extra-terrestrial agents were or how they got there. In order to recognise an explanation as the best, one needn't be able to explain the explanation. In fact, so requiring would lead to an infinite regress of explanations, so that nothing could ever be explained and science would be destroyed. So in the case at hand, in order to recognise that intelligent design is the best explanation of the appearance of design in the universe, one needn't be able to explain the designer. [4]

What Dr William Lane Craig stated is sufficient, but to add further clarity to Dawkin's question, please read the following constructed conversation:

Atheist: Who created God?

Theist: Why do you need a Creator of God to recognise God himself?

Atheist: Because the Theists argue, a complex design requires a designer. God is supposed to be more complex than the universe. Therefore, He needs a Creator too.

Theist: Ok, do you believe that you are a fully developed and a complex being, whose body

Contains more than 100 trillion cells, some so small that one million of them brought together would fit on the tip of a needle and who possesses such systems in your body that are well organised to carry out all the life processes efficiently?

Atheist: I don't have a problem in accepting that. 

Theist: In that case, you cannot use the Theist argument against us, because you have just admitted that you are a complex being too. So, if you can exist without a God creating you in a complex form, then why can't God exist without anyone creating Him in the complex form? The truth is, your development in various stages only proves that you were created and placed on earth for a purpose. There is no evidence of evolution that causes one species to turn into another. Therefore, we can question your existence based upon proofs, but not God's existence, who is not bound by time, space and matter.

Please view our other articles on God's existence and His description through the explanations offered by the family of Prophet of Islam (pbuh&hf).

References:

[1] The God Delusion, Page 122, under the sub heading: Irreducible complexity.

[2] Colin Patterson, "Cladistics", Interview by Brian Leek, Peter Franz, 4 March 1982, BBC.

[3] Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, Harmondsworth, Penguin, 1988, p.5

[4] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wcHp_LWGgGw

 

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Masjid-e-Ali (a.s)

New EC

Further to the request for EC nominations which closed on Monday 16/01/2017, we can confirm that the following nominations were received for the Executive Committee posts:

President:  Muhammad Yousaf

Vice President: Syed Abrar Shah

General Secretary:  Syed Mushtaq Shah

Vice General Secretary:  Syed Abid Shah

Stage Secretary:  Syed Aqeel Kazmi

Treasurer:  Syed Zaheer Naqvi

Vice Treasurer:  Hasan Kazmi

As there are no additional nominations for any of the posts, the above individuals will form the EC without requiring an election.  The new EC will formally take over management affairs following a confirmation meeting which will take place on Sunday 22/01/2017 immediately after Zuhrain prayers.

Executive Committee Elections

Masjid-e-Ali (a.s) Executive Committee elections will take place after Zuhr prayers on Sunday 22/01/2017 as per the motion passed at the members SGM on 08/01/2017.

Individuals that wish to nominate themselves for any of the EC positions must contact the Election Commission comprised of the following individuals:

Syed Sakhawat Shah: 07400828212

Syed Aftab Shah: 07956357173

Syed Talib Shah: 07401110786

Nominations must be received by 9PM on Monday 16/01/2017.

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